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  Friday, October 18, 2002

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Post Opie & Anthony, how are you advising your clients with edgy, controversial morning shows?

Fred: It’s no different that what we were saying before the blowup. Every company and community is different. What flies in one market could be well over the line in another. The same is true of the many companies we consult. Some clearly encourage envelope pushing. Others are just naturally more cautious. Whenever this subject comes up, we urge the programmers we consult to make sure they’re in the loop about what’s going on, inform upper management, and make sure the legal bases are covered. It’s important that programmers are in touch with their shows. Unplanned "surprises" can be expensive, painful, and can end up in court. There’s too much riding on the premise of forgoing permission, and asking for forgiveness. There are a lot of moving parts here. Remember that the bit that sunk O&A was a sales promotion.

How has what is acceptable changed in the post-9/11, Republican controlled FCC era? Does radio have to be more cautious of what they are putting on the air?

Paul: It sure looks like the ownership rules are going to loosen up. But content-wise, I’m not sure there’s going to be any different thinking regarding what you’re programming. PDs need to be constantly aware of where the foul lines are.

Fred: He’s right, of course. You’re not programming to the FCC, but you’re also aware there’s a government agency involved and the politics can change. This is a tough time to be programming. On the one hand, television has changed immensely, and no one’s screaming and yelling. And it’s not just HBO. Broadcast television has changed its standards in a big way. The standards of the country are changing. Programmers get fewer complaints. Frankly, the biggest concern about content comes from advertisers – or what stations perceive their clients will whine about. It’s a balancing act, so what’s new?

How about a few programming specific issues? What are the era lines for Classic Rock? Do U2, R.E.M. etc, make it? What is dropping out at the back end?

Fred: Actually in the last couple of years, there’s been more action on the older end of the spectrum. The ‘60s continue to play an important role for many Classic Rockers. Some of this is because Oldies stations have begun to integrate more late ‘60s and ‘70s material, but the older stuff continues to be important to the overall mix. For many Classic Rock stations, the ‘60s and ‘80s are on pretty equal footing.

How should Classic Rock stations deal with new records by artists like the Stones, Petty, Springsteen, etc?

Fred: Every station has a different angle on this. Overall, the audience likes to know when core Classic Rockers have something new. I like the idea of some "FYI" spins for something like the new Stones or new Springsteen, but it has to be limited, and have context. It’s important this music is properly set up, showcased, and treated as the spice that it is. Some stations have made this work, while others have avoided it altogether. Let’s face it – no one tunes in a Classic Rock station to hear something new. So the place for this material has to – by definition – be limited.

A related issue is how Classic Rock stations stay fresh – beyond playing new stuff. I love the idea of "current events" for Classic Rock artists. Reminding them that it’s the 30th anniversary of Dark Side of the Moon makes people feel old. Telling them about Paul McCartney’s tour plans, Mick Jagger’s personal life, or that Aerosmith is going to be appearing on MTV is more interesting, compelling, and worth talking about.

Paul: A related angle here deals with the record labels. In Classic Rock stations, they have the most targeted vehicle for reaching rabid listeners with money that are interested in buying digitally remastered CDs, box sets, and DVDs. And most Classic Rock stations are hungry to do promotions that could be win-wins for stations and for the labels. Instead of spending all this money to break a new artist that may or may not have long-term potential, Classic Rock bands are already pre-sold. Those legions of Eagles fans are ready, willing, and financially able to pay for whatever’s released. But they have to find out about these new projects somehow, and there’s no more efficient source than Classic Rock stations. I’d really love the "wall" between the labels and Classic Rock stations to come down. I think each side has a lot to offer. There are some visionaries at the labels who have put together some strong promotions, but they could really generate more sales with these 30+ listeners.

Fred: The other dynamic this year is all these great Classic Rock concerts. 2002 may be remembered as the greatest year ever – certainly since the format first took off in the mid-‘80s. When you’ve got the Who, McCartney, the Stones, Robert Plant, and Bruce all on the road at the same time, it’s magic. And when listeners see these shows, their spirits are lifted, their faith in the music is renewed, and their love for Classic Rock intensifies. All these bands can still bring it.